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WSO Hall of Fame: Job Search Advice Forum The Wall Street Oasis Job Search Advice Hall of Fame provides a comprehensive collection of some of WSO's best threads giving advice on the various aspects of your next job search. Keep in mind this Hall of Fame does not include Q&A sessions by WSO veterans. To view a full list of Q&A’s & In...
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Career From Engineer to Finance - Help WantedI have 8 years of experience. Worked for companies like Accenture as a consultant. I m pursing MBA. I m trying to move to finance. But, companies are rejected me for a general F&PA role saying I dont have prior experience even for an internship position. As part of my school work, I am also research...
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Is it ok to put unsuccessful deals on CV?I work at an investment bank and I'm currently putting up a CV to jump to another place. I was wondering if it is ok to put unsuccessful deals on CV? There are millions of times when you finished almost everything for a deal but in the end your client decided to pull out. I think these are still goo...
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Interviews Out of StateI have now moved on to looking for out of state employment since my last ordeal. I finally got a call late last week and went for the interview on Tuesday (it was with a small boutique firm about 5 hours away). I decided to stay at a small, pay-by-hour truck stop motel just off the interstate hoping...
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Has anyone ever been an intern at the Mayor’s office in NYC? I have an interview for a chance to become an intern there. I was wondering what to expect? Thanks!...
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How long should I wait after a phone interviewI had a 1st phone screening interview and it went really well. The interviewer even told me he was going to recommend me for the position to the decision maker as I showed I was really passionate about the opportunity and the company, and told me I would be contacted within a week or so. Today it's ...
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Goldman Sachs IT Back Office or Credit Suisse IT Front OfficeI have job offers from Goldman Sachs (GS) Back Office (BO) IT and Credit Suisse (CS) Front Office IT. I have experiences in both. Which one should I choose and why? If I join GS BO IT, is it easy to move to the FO IT a few years later?...
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How do I become a CEO?I'm currently a college junior studying Finance and Marketing. I'll be going into Investment banking at Bank of America Merrill Lynch next summer hopefully in Mergers & Acquisitions or Consumer & Retail. My ultimate career goal is to become CEO or CFO of a major fashion company like Burberry, my que...
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Lockheed Martin Analyst exit opps?Hello! What are the exit opportunities for working at Lockheed Martin? Including after MBA Programs? I want to go into consulting, so I was wondering if MBB has a defense consulting department maybe? I am not sure I would stay in Lockheed Martin my entire career. Also about post MBA opportunities?...
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Societe Generale Background CheckSo I recently accepted an offer from Societe Generale with a GPA at the time of 3.52. After a very bad semester, my GPA has gone down to a 3.33 and is below the minimum GPA of 3.4 that was stated on the offer letter. Does anybody know if the firm will find out about this and actually rescind my offe...
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how long before i follow up after super day?I had a super day last friday - my interviews went pretty well but i haven't heard back yet. From what I've read on WSO, it's best to keep myself on their radar and show them I'm still interested. I had one of my interviewers reply to my thank you note, telling me to feel free to ask any questions I...
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HYP or other Ivy League grads working low-level service jobs?Everyone here can relate to the "I heard the brother of my friend's wife's cousin's sister who graduated from Harvard couldn't find a real job and is now working at Starbucks." Does anyone actually know someone in this situation though? Granted the recession has been tough on everybody but it can't ...
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Wells Fargo FAP Middle Market Banking vs. Duff and Phelps Corporate Finance/Valuations GroupI would greatly appreciate any insight anyone has into these two positions and what they involve in terms of work, exit ops, career path, hours, salary etc. Thanks in advance....
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What question would you *like* interviewers to ask you?We intend advertising some corporate finance related positions early next year and I hope to be interviewing candidates in Feb or March. While we have all the usual interview questions on the table I am hoping here to get your (candidates') view on questions you would **like** us ask you. Perhaps qu...
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Drug Test @ BlackRock SF summer analyst positionHi guys, I received an offer recently from BlackRock for a 2017 summer analyst position (software engineering) at their SF office. In the offer letter, it states that I need to pass a drug screen/test. I'm wondering if BlackRock makes you take the test within a few days of accepting the offer, or ...
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Is it true that 90% of Harvard Business Grads are unemployed?Hey. New kid here. Recently I was in an argument with a OWS'ER. We were discussing business related things. When I told him that getting into HBS was my primary goal and that most of the graduates successfully work on Wall Street, he said the following: "Clearly your knowledge of education is a fa...
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Contract to Full TimeSo I have a 3 month contracting job with a huge bank in NYC coming up soon. I was wondering if anyone has experience going from a contractor role to full time with like MS, GS, JPM or any wall street bank here? If so, please give me some pointers. If not, I'll take some tips anyway to go full time...
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Financial Job helpHey team, I am a young professional based in Melbourne looking for career advice to kick start my Finance profession. I graduated with a Bachelors in Finance and Economics back in 2015. I worked in a finance team for a Government department for 2.5 years. This was a financial accounting based rol...
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GPA Went Down after Acceptance Hi, I recently accepted an offer at a BB with a 3.52 GPA at the time. This semester, however, did not go well at all for me and I am now at a 3.35 GPA (going down 0.17 in just one semester). The firm I accepted with has a policy on the acceptance letter that I must maintain a 3.4 or above. Is it bet...
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GS Veteran Integration Program (VIP) 2018I'd like to start the 2018 Veteran Integration Program thread this year. I'll be applying as soon as the application opens...Last year it was mid-October. Who else is applying this year? In past years the application entailed an online resume screen, followed by a Hirevue interview with several q...
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Did You Catch The Mistake In the Email? - An Interesting Interview QuestionRecently, I had an interview with a student society in my university. The spots were limited and there was a large number of applicants. After initial screening, I received an email from the club, offering me an interview. Needless to say, I was very excited, and so I breezed through the email, foun...
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JP Morgan Spring Insight Program contactDoes anyone know how can I contact JP Morgan (email) to ask them a couple of questions about my spring insight program application? Thank you in advance...
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JP Morgan Spring Insight Program acceptanceHey everyone. A coupe of weeks ago I had my phone interview with JP Morgan for the Early Insight Program (Spring Week). I have a new update (or at least I think so) in my application status page that right under "My applications" and "status" says "Candidate invited to event". Does this mean anythin...
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Study Abroad?How does studying abroad in undergrad look on job and grad school applications? I'll be at Bocconi University next semester in Milan and I'd like to know how I could translate this experience into an asset on my resume? ...
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Best Job to Learn Investing Hi, new member here. To give some background info, I'm 19, currently applying for college and I've been immersed in business from a young age. Had 3 failed businesses, currently starting a new one. My goal is to become an investor in the future. However, I have been struggling with figuring out h...
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I hate the living sh*t out of my job as a current salesman. I hate sales with a burning passion. I need out. Please help.Hi everyone. I currently work for a top tech company (think IBM/Salesforce/Oracle/CISCO) selling SaaS and high-tech enterprise software. My base salary is $60k and last year, I made around $100k before taxes with commission. I'm 26 years old, and have been working in sales for 1.5 years. My job is i...
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internship or jobHi everyone, I have a question concerning how best to get a career in IB started (or S&T). I am 22 and graduating in the next month from a double masters degree (one of the two cum laude), but have never done an internship before. In London, at least some banks only take penultimate year students, ...
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Looking for career helpI just graduated in May with a BS in Biology with a 3.75 GPA. My plan in undergrad was dentistry but things have changed. Even if I get accepted I've just had some health issues that make it a not so wise decision to spend 300k on a dental degree when I don't know if I can even practice and still be...
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Concerned about exit ops due to niche industry, current role exposure Some background on me: Current job is with a specialty finance lender that focuses on short-term, high-interest commercial loans. Google Merchant Cash Advance for a ballpark. The role mostly credit analysis/underwriting of loans and partially relationship management with our sales partners. Been the...
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Middle Market Associate TCF Bank Commercial Banking Does anyone have insight into how the interview process works with Middle Market Commercial Banking? I am applying for an associate position. What about hours/culture/pay at a place like this? It had $23B in assets as of September 2017. Would it be fair to assume this is corporate banking-lite? Ro...
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Do Financial Analysts do valuations?Do Financial Analysts do valuations? Dumb question, but what about Compliance and Operations ? ....
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Distressed Fund Interviews? (i.e., Oaktree)Hi, just wondering what the interview process at a distressed fund like Oaktree is like? I'm interested in associate interviews for distressed debt or HY. What type of case studies are given? Any helpful feedback would be appreciated. Thanks. ...
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How hard is it for an Indonesian to get a job as an auditor in UK?Here's the underlying situation: - I am an Indonesian - I studied Accounting at local university - Currently an Auditor at big 4 with 1 years working experience - Planning to take Masters in Finance at UK (Newcastle or Manchester) Do you think I have a lot of chance getting into Big 4 Auditor Roles ...
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Comprehensive List of Target SchoolsHi, I'm going to be applying to college this fall, and I've already done quite a bit of research on where I want to go, but I was wondering if there was a general consensus list of target schools that Investment Banks recruit from? I know that I want to go into Investment Banking, so if there was a...
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Difference between Private Wealth Management and Financial Advising?I'm a recent grad. A lot of people say work in PWM then go get your MBA. I was able to get a Financial Advisor role at an Insurance company. Is this considered PWM? Or are PWM more like Banks? Edit: Also, is my role considered retail finance?...
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Internationals here - RFE on visa transfer? All, I am an international working in the US for a few years now. I just got a really nice gig in HF/AM, and applied for a visa transfer and just got an RFE. This is something I have never received and was wondering if there are others here in same boat...
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GS IMD PWM AnalystHi guys. First post here. A recruiter reached out to me for a phone interview yesterday via email about a PWM Analyst position that I applied for online. What's a bit surprising to me is that they contacted me despite my overall profile being a bit weak. 3.45 GPA, Finance undergrad from a small sta...
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D.E. Shaw - Generalist Intern with Zero Finance Background - HELPSo, two weeks ago I was panicking over searching for and landing an internship - my background is almost strictly in polisci/philosophy/law, and Big Law type firms rarely, if ever, hire undergrads. I ended up widening my search, writing a bunch of different cover letters / resume versions, and sendi...
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What does 'Shareholder Advisory' entail? I’ve recently been called for an interview for the position of ‘Corporate Shareholder Advisory’ at a medium-sized firm in London. It is a junior role in a brand new division within this firm’s Global Advisory division and there is little to no information about this specific division / role ...
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How to get people to guide you along the way?Hi all, I am currently a first year Economics student studying at the London School of Economics. In order to prepare myself for applications next year, I intend on expanding my personal network by attending networking events/alum events with the hope of securing a summer job this year and next yea...
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Goldman Sachs- One HireVue for 2 positions?I was recently contacted by a Goldman Sachs recruiter who presented my resume to a few hiring managers. I was sent an email from HR saying that I am being considered for 2 positions and asking me to complete **one** HireVue Interview. How am I supposed to tackle this interview? Normally I would ta...
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Career move for a combination of skills including: data analysis, finance, accounting and process improvement? Background: 2nd year in big four assurance, has passed all level CPA and level 1 CFA, has experience in valuation, financial reporting, financial analysis, data analysis, big data, process improvement. I am passionate about working with data, streamlining process, and consulting companies in improve...
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Getting into Banking/Consulting (Weak Quant Background)Good Morning Everyone, I'm a grad student at a Ivy League level school doing a Master's in International Relations. My school is highly regarded in the banking and consulting sectors and is a prime hunting ground for their recruiting efforts. However, I have a weak quant background which I fear w...
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Deciding between two job opportunities. So I just finished my undergraduate career at a target university this week with a degree in Real Estate development/finance. I have two job offers on the table that I have to make a decision on by Monday. Option #1 is financial analyst position at Wells Fargo with their CRE lending team. They've go...
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Recent grad ->> New York for finance. No job lined upHey guys, I'm new to this forum and would like some recommendations on my upcoming move to NYC. I read a few older threads on similar topics and got an idea of the difficult situation I'm in considering I graduated from a non-target (UCSB, to be specific). Any comments, recommendations, and insights...
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MFin, CFA, CAIA for Project Finance/M&A job? *non-finance backgroundI majored in politics abroad (2nd best university) and speak 4 languages. After graduation I did an internship in an investment company (top finance investment company in the country) doing finance project (oil&gas) without any finance knowledge. I self-studied basic accounting and financial modelli...
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Going back to college; best way to position myself for IBD recruitmentOutside of US. Always been an "almost, not quite" candidate: -Went to a target; -Solid but not exceptional GPA (just shy of a 3.7 in the US system); -Two finance internships: one at a derivatives broker, the other as a commodity trader at a utility. When going for IB roles, both internships and ...
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Senior Analyst offer from a 3G portfolio company.Would you guys take it? Current Situation: - Finance Rotational program making 60K with 5% bonus target - Will be promoted to senior analyst in June 2018 making 75K with 10% bonus target - 7% 401k match - 26 days PTO - Pays for CFA Offer: - Senior Analyst making 85k - 25% bonus target - 18 days PT...
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I´m really lost about what to do now, need some advice guysHi all, I need some advice on what to do because I applied to almost all BBs (London) and didn´t get any offer. Not even a superday. I am graduating in economics this 2018 and I really want to break into AM or ER. I am graduating from a non-target with not outstanding grades (at least I meet the ...
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Wealth Management vs. MFINHi all, I am a senior with a 730 GMAT and a 3.7 GPA majoring in Econ from a decent private university. I have been planning for some time to apply to MFIN programs (LSE, MIT, Princeton, HEC) in hopes of eventually breaking into finance in New York or London. However, I now have an opportunity to pu...
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Barclays Group Function Spring week online interviewHi guys ! I'm pretty new on this forum, but I'm really wondering what Barclays means by its "online interview". I've received an email few days ago telling me they would like me to complete an online interview. Is is like numerical questions? fit-based? situational judgement? Thanks for your help ...
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C.F.A exam before or after 1st jobhi guys just recently concluded masters in banking and finance in a relatively reputable university in London with little or no worthwhile experience in banking roles. However, been having difficulties in getting into corporate banking analyst roles which is what I'm aiming for. Is it advisable t...
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Selby JenningsDoes anybody have experience with this company? Is it reputable? I don't want my CV spread out all over different networks......
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Treated like Garbage in an InterviewI was wondering if anyone else has had an experience where you were treated like garbage in an interview or job search. A while back I had an interview, and the first thing the employer told me, right off the bat was, "We're not going to hire you." I thought to myself, ok... so why are we wasting ...
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Will they rescind the offer?Hi all. Got a quick question about the background check. On what ground will the HR rescind the offer? Thanks. ...
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What options do I have left?(2nd year student in UK)Hey guys, I am a 2nd year economics student studying economics at a target university in the UK. Due to extenuating circumstances, I was unable to apply to BB 2018 internships early this. I applied quite late and the situation is looking rather dim. My question is - what options do I have? I am lo...
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It's been 3 weeks since an interview, should I follow-up?It has been 3 weeks since my interview, and I am starting to get anxious. I have had 3 rounds of interviews so far, and during the last round they said that would probably bring me in for a 4th. They also told me that they are not in a hurry to make a decision and it could drag out until late August...
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S&T Analyst BonusS&T salary seems standard across the street and on par with other front office roles (85 base+10 signing), but does anyone know what range an analyst's bonus falls in? Obviously it varies by firm and desk but I get the feeling that the bonus discrepancy happens at the associate+ level. Where should...
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Career advice for someone that feels stuck So I graduated in May from a non-target University with a Major in Finance and a Minor in Economics with a 3.35 GPA. I switched my major after the spring of my Sophomore year so I had no idea what I wanted to do in Finance I just knew I wanted to do something in the industry (previously a marketing ...
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Morgan Stanley 2018 Technology Full Time Business AnalystI've been contacted about interviewing for Morgan Stanley's "2018 Technology Full Time Analyst Program" for a business analyst role. Does anyone have any insight on this position? I'm wondering the the possible options are after two years, but I'm not too concerned about compensation. ...
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WH Trading in ChicagoI'm curious about the firm WH Trading. Does anyone know anything about it? Has anyone worked there? Is it possible to transition from WH into a top tier firm? ...
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PE Analyst vs Index Constitution(Spring)Hey so end game goal is to break into IB(surprise). I have no finance related experience, but I have 2 offers for a winter-spring internship. One with very small PE firm, they are flexible with my school schedule, but is unpaid. Also have offer this winter at an index fund, and I would be specifical...
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Summer Analyst Drug TestCan someone please describe the drug screening process of incoming summer analysts? There have been previous posts, however, I figured they are outdated as summer recruiting is always getting pushed up. Answers have been all over the place. I've heard December, 1 month before start, or anytime befor...
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BB Risk SA to IBD FTI was recently accepted to a well known BB (BoA/JPM/GS/MS/Citi) for a Credit Risk SA position. How likely is it to land a FT offer in an IBD division? I've had a friend go from Market Risk to a FT IBD position at Evercore, but I was curious if there are any other stories of this happening....
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Should I put poker on my resume?This is obviously not a matter of life or death, but do you guys think I should put texas holdem poker as one of my interests? I am an intermediate player, I think of the expected value of my hand and people's range, and play pretty tight aggressive. However, I don't really consider other statistics...
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Super Day QuestionI went to a super day for a BB yesterday (Friday) for a summer analyst intern position. There are three programs available for this internship, but when I received confirmation to go to my second round of interviews (super day), I was already assigned to one program in the email. During the intervie...
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Renewables EPC position South/North AmericaHi everybody, After long time on a PhD program in China, I couldn't stand the student life and academic culture there anymore and asked to leave the program for couple years. I've been offered a position in a international EPC company, mainly focused on solar projects in South and potentially North ...
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Help me get out the discount brokerage industry. Had a good start to a career in Revenue Managment industry for various airlines. Had a quarter life crisis and decided to roll the dice and try my luck in low finance haha. Currently work as an active trader specialist in Chicago for a well known discount broker. It has been a great experience a...
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FT Analyst Programs still available?Does anyone know of any FT analyst programs still available? Unfortunately, at this point nothing has worked out in my favor. I really wanted to work in asset management, but at this point, I just want to get in somewhere. Any advice? Starting to get very discouraged and don't really know what to ...
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volunteer work opportunity in financeHello I have 7 years of experience in Banking industry in foreign country, now i am visitor in New York (i am waiting to get permanent residence card) and accordingly i can't have social security card. I don't want to stay at home and i am interested in financial job. I want to work voluntarily in ...
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Other offer within expiry, how to respectfully inform?Hey. I have an offer that has an expiry within short. Today, I interviewed at a BB where they told all the candidates that they were going to make a decision within two weeks (1 to 14...). How do I respectfully ask for a more detailed timeline without shooting myself in the foot by mentioning other ...
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Help- what to do with a low g.p.a and business degree from a prestigious university? Hey so I am a senior at the George Washington School of Business and I desperately need help and advice with the job search and applying to graduate school. I spend the first two years of my academic career at Northern Virginia Community College and was accepted into the George Washington School of ...
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Getting into Finance from Biology AFTER GraduationHello All, So I just graduated from a pretty well known university with a B.S. in Biology and a GPA of 3.3 (I did much better my junior and senior year than I did my freshman year). I worked a seasonal job in my area of study and just finished it up a couple of weeks ago. As much as I enjoy biolo...
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Equity Research or TMT Corporate Banking?Hello All! First post on here... To decide between two offers: BB TMT Corporate Banking or MM Equity Research? Looking into private equity long term. Advice or clarity is appreciated. Pay is comparable....
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MM M&A boutique to land a job in LondonHello fellow monkeys, How do you evaluate an experience in a MM M&A boutique in a big city in Italy in order to break into London's job market? I mean, in case of failure of my London's applications This will be my first work experience in M&A/corporate finance/Restructuring. Cheers...
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How to answer "Why you left your previous job" in this situation?How to answer "Why you left your previous job" in this situation? Hi, I previously worked in a bank (not naming no names) but some of the things going on there were not ethical and I did not want to partake or associate with that kind of culture, so I resigned with 3 weeks amicable advance notice, ...
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Can I get blacklisted for interviewing BB FO positions even though I accepted BB BO offer?I'm worried I will get my offers rescinded if I still interview for BB FO roles that Im not getting interviews for even though I accepted my past summer BO (ops) offer. This is for FT. How much of a risk is there that all my offers are rescinded?...
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No Internship...Where NextHi. I got to an Ivy League, school, am a junior, and am majoring in History. This fall, I applied for PWM internships and consulting internships. Had first rounds at JP, Goldman, and MS, but no seconds rounds. For consulting, I got second rounds at McK and Bain, but not offer. I've interviewed and a...
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Confused about next career moveHi. So I'm a little confused as to what my next job move should be. I think eventually I'd like to work for a small boutique investment firm (mostly likely private side) but the strategy could range from growth equity for 'new economy' business models or distressed assets i.e. higher risk higher re...
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Financial Procurement interview at large firm, what should I expect? I have a first round interview with a large f500 tech firm for procurement finance and analysis, what should I expect in terms of a first round? ...
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Does this sound like they'll be making an offer?A couple hours after my superday today I received an email from my HR contact at the firm. She basically said she heard all great things about me today, and that'll she'll be in touch next week. Does this sound like they'll be making me an offer? Or am I looking too far into this?...
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Second round follow up, what bankers really like to talk aboutHi guys, After reading as much cold-emailing/networking posts as I can, I feel like I'm hitting the rock right now. I recently graduated from a Canadian target school, international student, eco major, and looking to break into S&T (sales trader, I don't have the quant skills to be a trader) or e...
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mortgage banking or investment bankingQuestion: What is a more lucrative career to start at age 30? Mortgage banking or investment banking? ...
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what gpa is required for low tier- lower mid tier and mid tier firms?Hello Im a freshman and I currently go to the university of Maryland. I'm a Econ/information double major,and I'm currently interested in doing consulting and was wondering what the Gpa cutoff is for firms that are considered low tier, middle tier and low middle tier consulting firms? (sorry for say...
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What to wear to pre-interview dinner? (Female)So there are threads about this for guys, but what should a female wear to a pre-interview dinner? It's allegedly "informal" but the restaurant pick indicates a smart-casual dress code. Is a skirt-suit fine? Or is that too formal? Probably overthinking this, but input would be appreciated. Not ...
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PWM internship or Angel Investment Network internship for freshman summer at Target?Please help me decide between a PWM internship, or an international internship at an angel network (think: Singapore Angel Network, Hong Kong Angel Investment Network) subsidized completely by my school's summer global program. This is for freshman summer, and my end goal is to go into MBB or BB IBD...
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Referral told me to contact him with his permission, what should I do? Hello everyone, I got referred to a VC Senior Partner, who was on a business trip in China. My referral introduced me to this SP through email and wrote to him "with your permission, he will contact you upon your return from China". Unfortunately, I have not heard from the SP for a month and hesita...
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Moving to education sector banking before moving to education sector VC/PEHi everyone. Question bolded below if you want to skip the background. I majored in education at a target school and currently work at a Tier 2 consulting firm in an education practice that does 80% due diligence for PE firms and 20% corporate work (usually growth strategy for PE portfolio companie...
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Renegging on SA with mutual fundHow bad would it be to reneg on an internship offer with a mid-sized (10-50B) mutual fund? It would be to work at a top hedge fund but I am worried about making a bad name. I'm not too concerned with how the fund will perceive me since I don't plan on working there....
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Getting first job with no internships I will be graduating from a non-target (George Mason) this coming spring with no internships. I have been working full time for an Allstate agency as a producer over the last several years which has allowed me to pay all of my tuition upfront. I am also 100% financially independent (rent, food, ever...
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From law to...what?Hi everyone, I'm using a throwaway account for this: I am a Canadian who graduated from a Canadian law school last year and will have been working at a business law firm for just over a year when I plan to move. I have thought about taking a break from law for a few years and moving to the USA. I w...
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I've always wanted to be a stockbroker. How can I start working in that position?Hi, I have always wanted to be a stockbroker. I am 28 years old but haven't had financial services working experience. How can I enter this types of jobs? Will becoming a Financial Advisor at AXA Advisors would help me in my goal? I will appreciate any solid and truthful advise....
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How to play chess I want to play the chess for my academic competition but i do not know the correct format of the chess.I heard about the game chess but i am not familiar with the game because first time i participate this competition.So i am very worried and sad .Without good guidelines i cannot win the game.Ca...
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Credit Rating Agency ExitHi everyone. First post here, but have been browsing for a few years - love the forum, thanks for all your posts. I've been able to get answers to most of my q's without posting, but this one is a little more personal. My background: just finished a PhD on a relevant topic for finance, including me...
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Recruiter told me firm wanted to interview me, then went silent for 5 days.I’ve been talking to a third-party recruiter for the past two weeks. I sent my resume over and he said he had feedback from the team and that they wanted to interview me. This was 5 business days ago. Today, I call back and he tells me that he’s still waiting to hear back from the firm. I’m i...
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Charles Schwab internship?Just recieved an offer from Charles Schwab for their internship academy this summer. Wasn't able to find any threads on Schwab so just wanted to see if anyone knows anything about this program, thanks!...

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