12/9/16

I'm sitting here chuckling because of course the title is in jest, but Facebook has been having a rough go of it lately. Not financially, mind you, where they've been absolutely killing it. I'm talking about in the media and political sphere, where roughly half the country (well, half + 2.6 million if we're being accurate) blames the social media giant at least in part for the outcome of the 2016 election. You can't go a whole day lately without hearing or reading about fake news, and since Facebook is the amplifier of choice for your average American they're catching a lot of heat.

But this isn't about the election (God knows we've discussed that ad nauseum). This is more about Facebook's role in society, its role in your life, and an exploration of how a company with a free product does $25 billion a year in revenues.

71% of the adult population online uses Facebook. And they use it a lot. At last count, Facebook boasted 1.8 billion monthly active users. But that's not the scandal. Of those 1.8 billion, nearly 1.2 billion are DAILY active users. That means they're logging on every single day. And they're spending an average of 40 minutes per day on the site, which would be shocking enough until you consider that the average family only spends 36 minutes a day together. One in five pageviews in the United States happens on Facebook.

Clearly Facebook has a stranglehold on the market. And I get it; it's sticky as shit. Every time I think I'm going to quit altogether, I remember all the different accounts I use Facebook to log into and what a hassle it'll be to start over from scratch with all that crap. Plus there's the whole creepy factor to not being on Facebook. Don't give me that look; you know you think it's weird when someone doesn't have a Facebook account.

One thing this recent election has taught us all is how powerful the echo chamber is. If my feed is any indication, the people who are middle-of-the-road have nothing to say. All I saw for the better part of a year were extreme views (on both sides). And I'm not convinced that's organic. I think Facebook is juicing a lot of stuff for views, and tailoring the experience to drive advertising. And I don't mean that in a simplistic way (like, no shit Sherlock, of course it's about advertising). I'm talking about taking it to a truly diabolical level.

On some level we're all aware that whenever we get something for free that we're the product. But we've reached a point where we really have to start thinking about how much we're giving away. We've all heard horror stories about something someone thoughtlessly posted on social media went on to blow their whole life up. That's not the only trap, though. By dialing in the algorithms to a ridiculous degree, Facebook can guarantee that you only see things that appeal to you, and that leads to a pretty distorted world view.

So I'm curious. How concerned are you that you've basically given a metric shitton of personal data to a company you don't know anything about (aside from what you read in the news)? Have you or anyone you know actually successfully quit Facebook? If so, what is it like when you get asked why you don't have an account (I'm assuming employers sort of expect it these days)? Do you think Facebook influenced the election? Could it ever be trusted as a viable news platform? What do you think of the efforts to blacklist "fake" news sites?

Facebook has been with us for a decade now, and no single other company in the history of mankind has had their impact in such a short period of time. Zuck and Co clearly caught us all napping, and now we've given away the ranch. Facebook has been responsible for some really sketchy shit, both on and off the site. Are we better off with Facebook, or would we have been better off if the Winklevi had driven a Ferrari over Zuckerberg?

I'm looking at the world around me and I really have to wonder. Of course, without Facebook we'd never have epic Facebook pranks like this one.

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12/7/16

Facebook is garbage. I deleted it over two years ago and you couldn't pay me to go back. It used to be incredibly useful and valuable, but with Instagram, Twitter and Linkedin, you can stay in contact and have relative control of your world.

The Company will linger on for a long time, but I think it will eventually go the way of Myspace and the ilk.

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12/7/16

Do you really? Because I wonder about that. Logic seems to dictate that it'll go away and be replaced by something eventually, but we've never seen anything with this kind of traction before. I mean, they legit own the planet.

Agree that it's largely garbage.

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12/7/16

I mean the difference between Myspace and Facebook is the product cycle and other business ventures. Myspace was early on and just social, before the advent of the Iphone and other connection devices. Facebook locked college kids in with an incredibly useful product and ramped as the Iphone and other devices took off. With that runway they bought other incredibly useful platforms.

If you talk to younger kids nowadays, all of them are on Twitter and think FB is for old people. The site went from being useful to connect with fellow classmates, to a professional and personal liability.

I was on both Myspace years years ago and Facebook during UG. FB won me over because of the ability to connect with classmates. I stayed on it post college to stay in contact and for the social aspect. As time went on, the site because more of a mess, with non-college people joining, games, endless ads and basically morphing into a social network/yahoo message board.

I stayed on it because of chat and seeing peoples pictures.

Gchat removed the need for Facebook chat and Instagram removed the need for pictures. So that left me with a site that is essentially an endless spam feed, full of moronic arguments, Candy Crush reposts and people having kids/getting married.

So now I do it pure. I chat with Google if I need to. I share pics with IG. And I use Linkedin to keep in contact with people. Each has different privacy settings, each can be tailored to the audience and if something better comes out, I can upgrade without compromising.

Ultimately, I simply cannot use a platform which has morphed into a social engineering tool. All the shit revealed during this election, with them choosing which articles to move to the top and fucking with conservative groups, is too much for me. This "fake" news garbage is the final nail in the head.

Fuck Zuck and Fuck Facebook.

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12/7/16

I think most normal people view it differently than college-educated professionals. They don't have a "liability" concern like you speak of. They love to play games and just goof off with silly photos and vids. More regular people will evolve from Twitter and just IG and will probably hardly ever use LinkedIn once they leave college as they look to somehow continue their social lives in their boring town with little money to pursue hobbies and travel.

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12/7/16

is there any reason you resent Mark Zuckerberg? I don't even use my FB but doesn't mean I hate the company or the CEO... why are you quoting fake news? What social engineering are you referring to? the site is an echo chamber that shows you stuff based on what you already like...

12/7/16

Well he is a liberal who uses his not only his fortune, but his social media platform to inject his worldview into people's life.

Reddit is the same way. When you have a CEO holding personal beliefs injecting those into their platform, not only is it a violation of trust but degrades the platform.

EDIT - FB was caught manipulating stories and promoting liberal articles. Zuck came out against "fake" news, which is basically what he thinks is fake.

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12/8/16

My biggest qualm against this social media giant is how manipulative it can be in politics. See the one time Zuckerberg and Merkel had a hot mic moment and that should be all you need to see to understand that this company has become a monster and it is another manipulative tool to control our society and political views to conform to those that rule over us.

12/7/16

You're wrong about the young kids and twitter. Twitter is dying/dead to younger kids, Facebook isn't huge but more popular in general than twitter. The popular/trendy social media platforms right now are Instagram and Snapchat.

I don't necessary disagree with what you're saying, but Twitter is going to burn well before Facebook.

12/7/16

What age? Good friend of mine teaches 6-12th grade and every one of those kids shits on FB and loves Twitter.

Maybe this is US only and more younger, internationals are using FB.

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12/8/16

" Good friend of mine teaches 6-12th grade "

seems like a dynamic guy

edit: feel the same way you do about FB - haven't had one since UG

12/7/16

I agree. All my high school/college age cousins and nieces/nephews are on IG and Snapchat. They hardly ever log on to Facebook. Facebook is the realm of people like my dad and aunts/uncles throwing out political memes as stone cold facts.

12/10/16
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If you talk to younger kids nowadays, all of them are on Twitter and think FB is for old people. The site went from being useful to connect with fellow classmates, to a professional and personal liability.

I have a younger sister, so allow me to provide some color:

FB - Old people
Vine - Dead
Twitter - Needs to die soon
IG - Still poppin'
Snapchat - All the rage
LinkedIn - For post-college life
Pinterest - For post-work nights (female oriented)
Tumblr - WAT?

I think I covered all the bases.

12/14/16

F**k Zuck ? You just cut yourself out of a pilgrimage trip to the Trump Tower office.

, that's why they win.

12/7/16

With you on that, I don't use it either. It was great in college 8 years ago but then about 2 years ago I found myself just scrolling through people's opinions all day who I don't really care about. whats the point in that.

12/7/16

I imagine that I use Facebook a lot differently than most. I am a news junkie, so instead of visiting 10+ news sites per day, I like their pages on Facebook and use it as an RSS feed of sorts. My only complaint is that Facebook is now pumping ads by the dozens into my news feed, and 99% of the ads are irrelevant to me.

EDIT: The fake news stuff is certainly worrisome, but people's inability to fact check and think on their own has existed long before this election cycle. If I were to put together an objective list of why Trump won and/or why Hillary lost, Facebook would be close to the bottom.

12/7/16

Well I think the issue with "fake" news is more with Facebook curating liberal news vs. actual fake news. Like after seeing the level of collusion between "real" news and the Democrats, I consider censoring any garbage news site to be hypocritical at best.

If you like news feeds without the ads, set up a Twitter. Or get a good RSS feeder. I read the Finviz news section as well as a couple other sites so I never got around to setting the RSS up to a solid level, but I have seen it done.

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12/7/16

Twitter is definitely great for news, especially breaking news.

12/8/16

The issue with fake news is that no one fact checks anything. "Wait..you're telling me that Imright.liberal.blogspot isn't the most accurate source of information? Well just go ahead and fuck me sideways.."

If people just fact checked occasionally then garbage wouldn't surface on people's feeds because people are clicking through less compared to credible news.

Also, agreed on finviz, it's the single most convenient news aggregate site I've found. Skews financial but also incorporates political news relating to markets. Really hits my sweet spot.

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12/10/16

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12/7/16

This is similar to how I use fb.
It's a decent news aggregator.
I follow music related pages such as artists and labels and there isn't another platform that can do this.

12/8/16

Same. I pretty much only use FB to follow bands and labels, so that I can stay on top of releases without checking a thousand different personal webpages or forums. It's very useful for that. The rest of it can pretty much fuck off.

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12/7/16

I have no respect for people who use Facebook as their primary news source.

12/7/16

Don't have it, found it useless to my life

12/7/16

I mean look at Zuck. His oily skin and beady eyes are demon qualities. Who knows?

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12/7/16

Facebook gives uninformed people a platform to express their views and an audience to reinforce them. Thats what was most noticeable to me during the last few years, involving the election and social movement. That being said, I am amazed at how quickly Facebook has moved from primarily written content to become a major competitor to YouTube in the video content world.

12/8/16
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Facebook gives uninformed people a platform to express their views and an audience to reinforce them.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

12/7/16

Never had FB. Wife has an account and is connected with a few of my friends, so I can occasionally check their updates / pics, etc if I need to. But for the most part I have no use for it.

12/7/16

I don't get on FB but I think you guys are dreaming if you think the company isn't here to stay. Even if their core platform loses it's luster Facebook's investments in instagram, virtual reality, and whatsapp will drive growth for years to come. As the developing world gets further access to the internet, they will become a vital back stop against the lack of new users slowing down in already developed markets. FB/ GOOG are probably the only new tech companies I'd be comfortable investing my money in for the next 20 years (not AMZN, NFLX, etc).

As for the election: I don't think FB, or any other media organization, affected the outcome either way. The media is a tool to confirm people's beliefs, the media doesn't change people's minds. I was saying this when a lot of people on this forum were whining about the media swaying voters away from Trump and I'll continue to say it. Sites like Breitbart are tailor made for people who were never voting for HRC no matter what, their far-right views attract ppl who are already far-right, a liberal or even a moderate isn't making decisions based on Breitbart, in fact, neither is a conservative.

12/7/16

You do realize, sadly, that a large number of Americans are uninformed. And that these people get their news from a variety of sites, Facebook included. When you have a site that started off manipulating news stories and is now migrating to punishing "fake" news, specifically as a result of Hillary losing, you have a dangerous situation.

It is one thing if a person chooses to live in an echo chamber and another when you have a social media platform choosing behind the scenes what people see and view. It is also worrisome if that platform has a well known, liberal slant.

People have short memories. It wasn't long ago when liberals were trying to get Fox News to remove the News because they said it was slanted media. Now they've moved on to the new boogie man. Sad, since it has been blatantly shown that CNN, MSNBC, etc are the ones who lie and manipulate.

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12/7/16

1.) Fake news is real and while I don't think it affected the election that doesn't matter, FB as a reputable organization should try their best to put a stop to it, I don't care who won. Some guy just fired a shot at a pizza shop over an idiotic fake news story.
2.) "uninformed" does not mean "entirely malleable by the media". uninformed conservatives will ascribe to whatever validates their conservatism, same thing with uninformed liberals.
3.) If you think CNN is more biased than Breitbart or Fox News then we need to stop talking because you don't care about reality.

12/7/16

Yawn. Typical response from someone who feeds from the trough of biased and fake news.

1) FB doesn't have a responsibility to monitor or curate information for their readers. It is a slippery slope for a group to block "fake" news when they've already shown they have a penchant for manipulating conservative sources. Funny how the war on fake news is born from Hillary losing.

2) You simply do not get it. Plenty of people make up their minds from what they see on different sources. If Facebook promoted Fox News, you'd have a lot of idiot people voting Republican because their views are slanted by stories. Same thing if you deem CNN and MSNBC to be reputable new sources.

3) Last time I checked, it wasn't proven that CNN anchors were giving Hillary supposedly unseen questions. I didn't see Breibart giving Trump secret questions.

Fox is right leaning. I get their anchors support Trump. CNN and MSNBC tout themselves as being not Fox. When in reality they are leftist new sites. And while their news isn't fake in the sense they talk about aliens, their news is garbage, biased and worthless.

Here is the list of "fake" news, which I have no doubt Facebook will gladly use as their censoring template.

http://zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-18/meet-left...
Drudge, Breibart, Daily Wire, Zero Hedge, etc. All right leaning sites, but hardly some dude with a wordpress in a basement talking about Hillary being an alien leader.

Another "resource" lists Ron Pauls site as fake news. So you see, when you have a social network site talking about censoring for its readers own good, I take umbrage. What is going to be their determinant for what is fake and what is real.

Meanwhile, the always intelligent Ron Paul, has produced his own list of fake and biased news.

http://ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/revea...

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12/7/16

I was going to write a detailed response but it isn't worth my time. Essentially, Facebook can do whatever it wants and if people can't check the source of their story/ cross-reference other sources that's their issue. Again your characterization of the media's power is bullshit, people are more partisan than ever. People are more partisan than ever. I'll repeat it one last time, people are more partisan than ever. Media isn't swaying elections or changing minds because there aren't many moderates/ undecided voters. Look at The Donald, dude is the most hated presidential candidate in U.S. history but middle America liked his job message so he won, didn't matter that much of the media portrayed him as racist and/or sexist and/or incompetent. If I had to pick between CNN or Breitbart (I actually peruse both to get an idea of how people spin shit) as to where to get accurate and factual news, it damn sure wouldn't be Breitbart, I am sure you feel differently though.

12/7/16

Facebook can do whatever they want. They are a private company. But they also are a social network with people on both sides. If they want to make their platform a liberal news feed, fine, but people will be angry. They are using the guise of "fake" news to create the same results. No one talked about fake news until Hillary lost. It isn't coincidence.

You dismiss the news too freely. We've discussed this before. The news can and will have an impact. It wasn't an accident that the news used a young photo of Treyvon and a menacing photo of Zimmerman. It wasn't an accident that CNN lightened photos of the Baltimore cops. And it isn't an accident that mainstream news was shown to be colluding with Hillary.

So don't talk about censoring fake news when the supposed real news is manipulating things even worse. At least the fake news is hyperbolic and obvious. It isn't insidious like CNN pretending to be a reputable source, all the while twisting and manipulating things.

This isn't about Trump winning. This is about subtle censorship. It should worry everyone, regardless of the isle. The fact CNN and MSNBC were working behind the scene for one candidate should worry everyone. The fact that Facebook, something so omnipresent in many peoples lives, is looking to curate news for its users, should be absolutely scary.

How you don't see this is shocking.

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12/7/16
  • FB wasn't the one who brought up the fake news issue and they initially resisted making any changes, they were pressured to do so... their initial statement about the fake news controversy (which you bafflingly continue to act like doesn't exist) was essentially "we don't believe it affected anything or it is a big problem".
  • Don't bring up Zimmerman v. Trayvon, Zimmerman is a menacing thug who continues to be so.
  • Present links, I am not aware of CNN lightening photos of the Baltimore cops
  • Mainstream news? what I saw was individual journalists colluding with HRC, and this was against Bernie, a fellow democrat. Did CNN's CEO put out the directive to collude with HRC? Was it proven to be an organization-wide mandate? Didn't see any proof of that but you're welcome to post.

Keep ignoring the reality that the likes of Fox News/ Breitbart are way more guilty of manipulating facts/ news than CNN, it really displays your lack of bias.

12/7/16

1) Oh god. FB wasn't the only one, the rest of the liberal media jumped on it. But Facebook is used by millions and many get their news there. Them "fixing" their feed is worrisome.

I am against fake news. What I am not supportive of is labeling right wing news as fake to simply obscure it. Sorry, Briebart and Drudge, while right leaning, is not fake.

2) Zimmerman is a fat Hispanic. Trayvon was a grown young man. The media specifically chose pictures to sell a story of a racist hate crime. Low and behold, it wasn't true. So don't tell me the media doesn't manipulate things and cause real harm.

Multiple people employed by CNN. CNN is not a robot. It is a collection of reporters and TV personalities. Multiple people colluded.

Fox and Briebart are admittedly Republican leaning. Their personalities outside of the TV anchors reflect this. CNN on the other hand is not admitting or advertising as being the left leaning news channel.

Also, I would be equally as shocked and disgusted if Fox was caught sending Cruz secret questions or if the RNC was colluding against any one candidate.

EDIT - Here is an example of how CNN can manipulate things.

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/blue-lives-matter-apol...
This site is talking about how CNN took footage of the Charlotte shooting and edited out language. This happens all the time as these news sites take things out of context. Hence why the "Mexicans are Rapists" meme continued.

Sorry, but mainstream media is the enemy of truth and can cause severe damage.

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12/8/16

The idea that the mass media can, and does, manipulate the public's opinion is not new.

https://amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Polit...
^Get yourself a copy.

12/8/16

Oooohhhh, thanks. Totally agree. I've commented in past threads about yellow journalism and the Spanish American war. Journalism and the media have real impacts in the world and those who discount their power to manipulate fail to learn from history.

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12/8/16

Try looking into that "fake news" story about the pizzeria before claiming it as fake news. Think if it were truly fake why is the entire establishment media pushing the label of fake news attempting to kill the story. Reddit censored the subject and the CEO personally has taken a stance against it, along with Twitter. That should be enough to tell you there is more than meets the eye. Look into it for yourself instead of blasting it ignorantly. Check out Voat (a Reddit competitor) and the subject is called "Pizzagate." Evidence presented so far points more to fact than fiction, if anything at least requiring more investigation.

12/8/16

are you serious? You want me to look into the possibility of a child sex ring run out of pizza shops by the Clinton family? You have to be fucking kidding me.

12/8/16

Check out the Podesta brothers and James Alefantis' instagram account (whose profile picture is a greek statue symobolizing pedophilia). Many pedophilia references and Tony Podesta's house is littered with pedo art. John was Chief of Staff to Bill Clinton years ago. Instead of crying lunacy, research for yourself for an hour and then come to your own conclusion instead of reciting HuffPo/NYT articles.

12/8/16

Bro I can't take you seriously. Have a good day.

12/8/16

I know. It is taxing looking into anything. Keep enjoying the HuffPo being spoon fed to you.

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12/8/16

holy shit we're you're giving credence to this pizza shop sex ring bullshit? you've gone off the deep end man I'm done here.

p.s. I would bet you traverse far-right bullshit "news sites" more than I get on huffpo (literally never) but keep on trying to paint me as the sycophant dude

12/8/16

Do I think this is truly happening? No. Do I see the merit in what they are saying? Yes. Jesus Christ. You literally dismiss something without even looking at it because you think it is silly?

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12/8/16

Read that on Mother Jones, Brah.

Get woke.

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12/8/16

4chan and VOAT FTW. Reddit is trash.

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12/8/16
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4chan and VOAT FTW.

This is why we can't have nice things.

12/8/16

4chan was the epicenter for a lot of recent history and news. They've been pimping Mattis on that site for months now. Wikileaks was well discussed there as well. You need to filter through shit, but the site is gold.

Reddit is utter trash now. VOAT is where it is at.

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12/9/16

I love all the mischief 4chan gets up to. Seriously one of the best comedy sites on the web. Can't say I've spent a lot of time on VOAT. I just figured it was the new home of FPH.

12/7/16

pretty much the same as TNA except I still have mine and only check it to keep in contact with family I don't want following me on instagram

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12/9/16

4chan cracks me up. When Hillary had a rally at OSU that was being touted as biggest rally yet. It was an effort to show she can pull big crowds (http://breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/20...).
Some dude on 4chan used photoshop and facial recognition software to place a small red dot on every face in the wide angle, official picture of the "massive" crowd. Then he counted the dots. Something like 3K people, max in the crowd. Then someone posted a screen shot of some professors offering extra credit for anyone who attends.

Pretty hilarious stuff. Site is full of fuckery, but some of it is rather sharp wit.

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12/7/16

I have no Facebook, it's for fucking losers.

I'm not a big fan of mind control, especially by some dorky silicon valley liberals. I'm free.

12/7/16

It shows how disconnected with everyone else you are if you think most regular people have some sort of issue with posting a bunch of shit all over FB. They love it for that purpose. No one who works a normal 9-5 job cares if people see them sharing obscene images or making incorrect political statements or engaging in some controversial discussion. Only people that are career-oriented have those sorts of qualms with social media, and that's less than 25% of the population. If you are this type of person (practically everyone on WSO, I'm speaking from someone that sees the sheer dunce that spews all over that place with some very normal working class folks), you're more likely to use LinkedIn over FB. A lot of people are using FB as a legitimate outlet, especially with the constant news reels, live updates, and memes. FB isn't going anywhere within at least the next 10 years because, just as someone else said, they're interconnected with nearly every other platform. Kids today will certainly outgrow Twitter, Instagram, and maybe Snapchat. When they graduate from college they'll either become LinkedIn professionals looking to network, or regular working class people on FB.

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12/7/16

i would imagine it would be hard to have a social life living abroad w/out facebook so i've always kept up with it + use it as a journal of sorts

long live facebook

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12/7/16

Beyond it being a bit unnerving for a company to have a lot of data on you -- I'm not really sure what the practical negative ramifications of using facebook are.

I've bought shit off social media ads and been happy with the products (they are tailored to what I'm interested in - GREAT).

I don't post stupid stuff (or I've deleted the stupid stuff) that could negatively impact my career.

I ignore or block people/sources that I dislike.

Not sure what's wrong with being able to communicate and stay connected with people. I can see how if relying on your friends' posts as your primary news source can warp your world view -- but not anymore than watching fox news 24/7.

12/7/16

Stopped logging into it as well. I have personally seen many of my friends spending less and less time. When my own parents and grandparents are logging on, it becomes a buzzkill.

12/7/16

If you think Facebook is scary, then what about WeChat? They control more personal data than Facebook and it is supported by the Chinese government. If evolution is the future, Facebook will become more like WeChat in the future (i.e. online payment, e-commerce booking).

12/7/16

What's concerning is that they recently trimmed the list of trending topics and appear to aggregate a little bit of bias news topics.

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12/8/16

Fuck Facebook. As others have commented on especially TNA, I grew up with MySpace and early-days Facebook which were awesome (not only because you had your own music playing on your sick myspace page and could customize it with HTML, but that's another story) because it was your peers aka mostly your classmates and everything revolved around that. maybe your cousins and other close family members who you were cool with. but as soon as the aunts and uncles, mom and dad, grandma and grandpa started joining, then getting offended when you didn't accept their friend request at Thanksgiving because you didn't give a fuck about whatever politics or vacation they had, it went downhill really quick.

Facebook is now a huge swarming cesspool of dogshit. It is a fantastic platform for attention seekers and insecurity. If you are dumb enough to get your primary source of news from whatever is trending on Facebook, you deserve to be fooled by fake news. 100% agree it is a personal and professional liability.

Fuck Facebook. To think that company is making the world a better place is absolutely ridiculous.

12/8/16

You guy's passed yourself for smart people and yet you are discussing fake news on facebook? God dammit. Hey Einsteins, newsflash, there is a button "Hide all from this user", yeah, check out the manual. You can also input whatever personal information you want, if you do not want to share something, you are free to do it. You can even use a different name so your employer won't find out how sh*tfaced you get every weekend. How do you even clean your kitchen if you can't clean your facebook news feed.

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12/8/16

This is making me feel old...

12/8/16

This whole thread reminds me of this video about why doesn't MTV play music videos anymore.

TLDR: You are not the target demo anymore

12/8/16

no issues with facebook, but i do get somewhat annoyed when ugly girls pose as babes on tinder and bumble

12/8/16

Honestly, the only reason I have Facebook is to use tinder, bumble, the league, etc. I use messenger sometimes because I have friends that prefer it over text, but I deleted the actual Facebook app a while ago. Really don't see any use for it.

12/9/16

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